Corin Dann: Was Murray McCully, when he was the foreign minister, out of line to co-sponsor the measure condemning Israeli settlements? He did that without cabinet approval.
Jacinda Ardern: Indeed, and putting aside the issue, the only question we’ve raised is whether there could’ve been a bit more of a process around it.
Corin Dann: Do you support him in what he did? Because a lot of progressive left leaning New Zealanders would have actually been pretty proud of Murray McCully taking that stance. Do you personally support his stance?
Jacinda Ardern: We should absolutely use the voice that we had in a critical position within the UN at that time, a particularly critical position at that time, to yes, take a stand. The only issue we’ve raised is whether or not a process could’ve been gone through to involve at least the government on that.
Corin Dann: Putting a cabinet minute into the coalition agreement sends a pretty strong signal, basically, that you’re saying he was out of line, so the message to the world is that he was on his own, it was a rogue decision, it wasn’t New Zealand’s decision
Jacinda Ardern: I disagree
Corin Dann: But how else can it be interpreted?
Jacinda Ardern: Simply, simply that. Whenever a government makes a decision, it makes one as a whole, admitting that it made a decision as a whole was a simple request.
Corin Dann: That is what Winston Peters is trying to get at, by putting that minute in there.
Jacinda Ardern: That is a question for Mr Peters. That’s certainly the point that we’ve made. It would have taken no extra time necessarily to make sure that it was an, seen to be an all of government decision.